Researching Creation

LiveBlogging ICC - Pt 1

JB

[Since the conference room does not have WiFi, I'll have to just "pseudo-liveblog" this thing, and then post it when I get back to my room :)  ]

[The first session I'm going to is Kevin Anderson's "A Creationist Perspective of Beneficial Mutations in Bacteria".  All my own comments are in brackets]

Advantages of studying bacteria:

  • Rapid geenration time - generation time as quick as 10 minutes
  • One chromosome
  • Can have a high enough mutation rate
  • Easy to manipulate and study - can deal with them easily in a lab - especiallyE. Coli
  • "simple" phenotype selection - can usually get 100% selection
  • Asexual - daughters are clones - uses binary fission

Significant features of bacterial genome:

  • Uses reverse transcriptase to make RNA/DNA hybrid (msDNA)
  • Contains intron and exons
  • Can splice proteins
  • Has multiple layers of regulation
  • Uses antisense RNA for regulation
  • Communicate with other cells

Many of these features were thought to only exist in higher organisms, but have been found in at least E. Coli.

Mutations maintain diversity through mutation.  Bacteria have ability to intentionally mutate their genome.

Mechanisms:

  • Horizontal gene transfer
  • Mutation and hyper-mutation
  • Insertion Sequences elements
  • Adaptive Mutations (random?) [no, of course not]

"Beneficial" Mutations

Wild Type + mutant => (a) more fit, (b) less fit, (c) neutral - can be any one of these

Study of E. Coli after 20,000 generations (Lenski)

Lenski 1999 - mutant stains possessed 50% greater "relative" fitness compared to parent (for the given environment).

Schneider et al 200 and Cooper et al 2001 - the beneficial mutants were the result of genetic disruptions (knockouts) - i.e. they were all degenerative

  • Lost different catabolic systems which were not used for prolonged periods of time (Cooper and Lenski 2000)
  • Loss of some of the flagellate genes (interesting, because the wild type didn't have a flagellum to begin with) (Cooper et al 2003, PNAS)
  • Gene disruption via IS element activity (Schneider et al 2000, Genetics 156:477) 
  • Called this Antagonistic Pleiotropy - a sacrifice of a particular existing system that is not essential in a specific environment, if that sacrifice increases adaptation to the specific environment.  Normally temporary and transient.

IS Element activates promoter to provide expression of a gene.

IS Element might also have an active repressor which disrupts it.

spoT mutants -> decreased ppGpp -> increased tRNA and rRNA -> increases protein synthesis - starts with a disruption or reduction of the cell's control mechanism

Mutants were less fit in other environments, such as different temperatures.  

Conclusions of Lenski's long-term adaptation study:

  • Bacteria readily adapt to consistent environment
  • Bacteria eliminate unused genes and systems
  • Mutations  reducing regulatory control can be "beneficial" in a constant environment.
  • Genomic truncation can benefit in constant environment
  • Adjusment of environment from original selection conditioncan render mutants "less fit".

Stress Survival

Increase temperature of E. Coli - get lots of mutants with gene duplications and deletions - genes involved in coping with higher temperature are the ones duplicated!

(Richle et al 2001, PNAS; Richle et al 2003 Physiol. Genom.; Richle et al 2005, Physiol. Biochem. Zool.)

Other studies show that when you return organism back to normal temperatures, duplications are removed [other studies not speicfied]

Antibiotic/antimicrobial resistance Mechanisms:

  • Horizontal Gene Transfer
  • Spontaneous mutations

Common mechanisms

MarA/B System

MarR - represses promoter so that marA and marB are not expressed
Mutant to MarR is repressed, marA becomes a promoter for the promoter region, which increases the system, and forms both marA and marB, which then becomes marAB.

Metroindazole activation - [could not follow this one quickly]

Erythromycin resistance in e. coli - loss of 11 bp segment of 23S RNA

Kanamycin resistance in E. coli [slide up too short to complete]

Anderson 2005 CRSQ has a list of phenotype resistance and genotypes, and shows the degenerative nature of genotype systems.

 Bacterial Response to Starvation

Glucose-limited adaptation - two mutant organisms that work together: [these are two different mutants in different cells I think]

  1. Truncate glucose feedback regulation - increases glucose uptake and acetate production
  2. Reduced regulation of Acetyl CoA synthetase, to survive on increase in acetate 

Hypermutations - impaired repair mechanisms - increases chance of "beneficial" mutations under stress conditions.

[PROBLEM - keeps on banging the "beneficial but degenerative" drum]

Adaptive Mutation

Directed or random? - talked more by Georgia on Wednesday

Cultivation of Lac- in medium with lactose as sole catabolite. Frameshift reversal occurs at a much higher than random rate.

Possible mechanisms:

  • Recombination-dependent
  • Amplification-dependent
  • Hypermutation

Nylon Degradation - Nylon-degrading bacteria identified in 1980s.  Assumed as the evolution of a new metabolic pathway.  Most-commonly studied - Anthrobacter sp. K172.  Ei (NylA) EII (NylB) EIII (NylC) - on plasmid

Carboxyesterase - original version will not metabolize nylon.  EII has an active site has broadened specificity to process Nylon.  Broadening specificity of enzymes is a degenerative process.  Prediction - EI and EIII will be found to be a degenerative (broadening specificity) mutation.  Same prediction for opp protein in his next example for transport proteins.

Several mutations at once, but all degenerative.

Citrate evolution after 30,000 generations. E. Coli in aerobic conditions cannot process citrate.  Lenski has found E. Coli that can process citrate.  NOTE - genetics of this has not been studied - only phenotype.

Perhaps all Enterobacteria are all same created kind. [Interesting!]

citT (citrate transporter) is expressed anaerobically.  If citT is cloned into a shuttle vector (Martinus et al. 1998 - J. Bacteriol), E. Coli can utilize citrate aerobically.  The only thing that needs to be done is activating or derepressing the gene.  The only mutation may be the loss of citT regulation! [Superinteresting!]

Antagonistic Pleiotropy - Analogy of "beneficial" mutations to constructing a house - removing non-supporting walls to create a larger dining room.  Lose a room, but gain a function.  Doesn't explain how the house is constructed.

Creation Model - Rigid Flexibility - flexibility that goes only so far. 

  • fully-formed system
  • trade-off systems
  • bacteria need to adapt rapidly
  • Using fully-formed systems in a trade-off approach

Bacteria can often get back to wild type by recovering systems.

Q&A Time

Pennicilinase - only possible example of antibiotic resistance that has a chance of not being degenerative

Reversion - either genotypically - specific mutation reverts back, or phenotypically - a suppressor and then a repressor mutant.

Why is losing specificity a loss of ability, especially if V(max) of enzyme is not affected?  Metabolism is managed by having very specific, narrow metabolic pathways,  and showing a decrease in specificity will only cause long-term problems if compounded, because metabolics require tight specificity.

In debate, need to force evolution to show why the mechanisms they have examples for can contribute to large-scale evolution.  If the mechanism is deregulation, then it can't be the source for novelty.

No current research on limits of baramins but there probably needs to be.

Why is it called "antagonistic pleiotropy" - seems to not be using "pleiotropy" in the strictest sense, but that's what the evolutionists have called it.

Isn't the reversion an increase in specificity?  Couldn't other mutations increase specificity?  There's no example of it occurring.  [Isn't SMH in immunoglobulins an example of increasing specificity?]

[I think it was a good presentation, but I think he beat the degenerative drum WAY too much.  My BSG presentation should indicate some ways in which organisms could theoretically produce increased specificity non-degeneratively (though there is always a tradeoff somewhere).]


[The second session I'm going to is Bob Hill's "The Tectonics of Venus and Creation"]

Venus as a prototype of Plate Tectonics - this is a review of secular literature in order to get it into the Creation literature.  There are arguments for and against catastrophic plate tectonics in Venus.  This is just the "pro" side in order to get the information into creationary literature.

Introduction

  • Venus is a terrestrial planet. 
  • For a long time we could only see the atmosphere, but not ground
  • Venera 7 (1970) first successful probe to land on another planet - stopped working after 23 minutes on the surface
  • Sulfuric acid clouds, surface temperature like an oven, Rocks at the surface of the lander.  Perhaps sand
  • Venera 13 (1982) got color photographs - sky is orange
  • Rock: basalt like, much drier
  • Stiffer rheology

From radar, Venus looks a little like the earth, but drained of its oceans

Magellan - radar-mapped 98% of surface

  • Crust thickness !70km
  • Compared gravity anomalies with topography

Geologic Structures on Venus

  • Guinevere Plains - volcanic related 
  • Corona - filled up with magma, then drained and dropped down
  • Volcanic Domes
  • Arachnoids - no one knows what these are
  • Craters (about 900 craters on Venus)
    • Small-diameter craters are not common (probably because of atmosphere - anything smaller than a certain size would burn up in the atmosphere)
    • Crater's 1.km to 280 km in diameter
    • 84% do not show any signs of modification
    • Craters are randomly (near-perfect distribution!) distributed on surface
    • As a comparison, Corona is only partially matching the random distribution

Possible Implications

  • All parts of the surface are the same age
  • Low crater count implies relatively young surface 

Venusian interior seems to have core, mantle, and crust.

Tectonic Model

  • Lid Tectonics, not plate tectonics - one giant plate covering the whole surface 
  • Lid will have slower heat transfer to surface than plates, gives increased transfer
  • Increasing temperature lowers viscosity
  • Makes large-scale mantle convection easier
  • Lid underplating
  • Same as initial conditions assumed by Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (Austin et al, 1994)
  • Subduction starts when plate gets 250km thick.
    • Rupture develops somewhere
    • Surface rapidly subducts inside
    • (Secular model says this is 10-20 million years, but is relatively short for planetary assumptions)

Creationary Implications

  • Crater randomness is a problem (since it rotates VERY slowly - months) for:
    • Asteroid swarm model for the flood
    • Exploding planet between Mars and Jupiter [haven't heard of this one!]
  • Consistent with RATE results of rapid radioactive decay with the flood as a possible mechanism to start the flood
    • Ideal for future modeling by TERRA

Q&A

What are Corona? Not found elsewhere.  Possible explanation (based only on photographs) Two layers of rock.  magma is injected between the two layers, lifting one layer up.  It  later drains and drops back down, leaving circular faulting.

Are there any structures on venus which are analogous to terrestrial structures like subduction zones?  A few proposed, all hotly debated.  The ones found don't look that much like subduction zones.  Need more space probes!

Why would Venus have lid tectonics and the earth plate tectonics?  Really unknown.  

Did Earth have impacts at the same time as Venus?  Probably, but we have weather but Venus doesn't.

Is there evidence from a young-earth timescale of a resurfacing event?  Not much except it matches Catastrophic Plate Tectonics.

Faulkner has suggested two cratering events suggested.

Surface temperature of venus is fairly uniform throughout.  Atmosphere keeps it going.

Uniform randomness is unique to Venus.  What about Mercury?  Currently looks nonrandom, but not enough mapping done.  If Mercury is nonrandom, it indicates that there may in fact have been a recent (during/post-flood) resurfacing event on Venus but not elsewhere. [Very interesting!]

[Very interesting stuff!!! Certainly at the beginning of understanding, but it looks promising]